Gibson Tobias Serial Numbers

Before collectibility and value can be determined about a Gibson guitar (and before you emailme asking, 'what kind of Gibson guitar do I have?'),several things need to be identified:

Aug 11, 2004 #1. Lsu921 Jun 6, 2003. Port Allen, La. I've got two Tobias Killer B's. One has a serial # 2364 and the other #8115. I sent an email to gibson to find out when they were made, and they told me both were made in 1997. 2364 in September and 8115 in December. That's a big difference in serial #'s for being made 3 months apart.

  1. The type of guitar (flattop, archtop, solidbody, lapsteel, etc).
  2. The exact model within the type.
  3. The year it was made (or approximate year/era).
  4. Oringinality (have any of the parts been changed or modified?).

First Determine the Type of Guitar and the Model.
Sometimes there is a tag inside the guitar stating the 'style' or model.If the model is hollow, look on the inside for any tags and madenote of any ink stamps (sometimes the model is ink stamped inside the guitar).But unfortunately, especially on the low to mid line models,usually there is NO tag or label inside the guitar specifying what it is.If this is the case, start at the beginning and first determine whattype of guitar you have.These are several different types of Gibson guitars made.Once this is known, go directly to the section aboutthat type (listed in the blue table of contents text above),and look at the model pictures and descriptions that matches your guitar.

Gibson Tobias Serial Numbers

Here are the general types of Gibson guitars:

  • Electric Solid body Gibsons: body is a solid piece of wood(no soundhole or cutouts), 1.5' to 2' thick, pickups and knobs routed into the top of the guitar.
  • Flattop Acoustic Gibsons: single round sound hole under the strings, body 3.5' to 4.5' thick with a flat top, usually not electric(but often owners add a sort of bolt-on electric assembly).
  • Acoustic Archtop Gibsons: two 'f' hole stylesound holes cut in the top, body 3' to 4.5' thick, slightly arched top, acoustic with no pickups (but sometimes these models have bolt-on electic assembly added later by players).
  • Electric Archtop Gibsons: same as above ('f' holes, arch top)but the factory installed electric pickups into the guitar with volume/tone knob(s).
  • Electric Thinline Archtop Gibsons: same as above (electricwith two 'f' holes in the top), but the body is thinner at 1.5' to 2' thick. These are always electric from the factory.
  • Electric Lapsteel Gibson: a small solidbody guitar (no cutoutsor sound holes) that is playedin the lap, Hawaiian style, with a metal slide bar, pickup and knob routed into the top.

Once the type of guitar is determined, figuring out the exact model isMUCH easier! (just go to one of the above six linked webpages that describes your guitar, and compare each model specs to your guitar, until you find the one that matches).

Next Determine the Year or Approximate Year.
Gibson guitars usually have a FON (Factory Order Number), a serial number, or both(but sometimes neither!) Various serial number systems were used by Gibson,and often the same serial number could be used in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.See the serial number/FON section for details.Duplicate or no serial/FON number doesn't make things easy, but there are other traits that allow theserial number to make sense (see the General Specs sectionfor more details). Also mid to top end instruments usually have a label insidethe guitar with the serial number. Guitars with no label are usually lower end instruments(or are a solidbody guitar!)

Probably the first thing when trying to determine the year on an old Gibsonis whether the guitar was made 'pre-WW2', during WW2, or 'post-WW2'. This is easy to do, as Gibsonused different peghead logos for pre-WW2, 'wartime', and post-WW2 (see the General Specs section for more details). Knowing the general era of the Gibson guitar will make Gibson's rather complicatedserial number/FON systems less tangled.

Next Determine the Exact Model.
There are several general questions which can be asked in determining a guitar's model,once the type of guitar (flat top, arch top, etc.) has been determined:

  • What is the color of the top of the guitar? Common top colors include 'sunburst' (a yellow center that fades to a darker red or brown around the edges),black, natural and 'cherry red' (a translucent red which shows the wood grain).
  • What is the color of the back of the guitar? Common back colorsinclude translucent dark brown, translucent light brown, sunburst, cherry red, etc.
  • What is the body size? (measure the guitar across the top at the widest point, which isthe guitar's 'hips'). This is really important for all model types except solidbody electrics.
  • What is the style of fingerboard inlays? (dots, blocks, trapezoids, double parallelagrams, etc.)
  • What is the style of 'Gibson' peghead logo? That is, is it white silkscreen,gold silkscreen, or pearl inlay? Also if the logo is pre-WW2, wartime, or post-WW2 (see above).Also fancier models can even have some sort of pearl inlaid decoration (a 'crown' or longskinny 'diamond') on the pegheadjust below the 'Gibson' logo.
  • What is the style of binding? Binding is the whitish/yellowish/tortoise 'band' that goesaround the edges of the body. Most Gibsons have some sort of body binding.Often binding is multi-layers (white/black/white, etc).Some guitars also have binding on the neck. The more binding a guitar has, the fancierthe model.
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Finally Determine the Originality.
Originality of an instrument is very important. Modifications (any modifications),are a bad thing in the eyes of a collector. This will greatly influencevalue. Modifications can often be determined by looking at the modelspecs for a particular year guitar in this web page (after the approximate year is determined), and compare to your instrument.

Early 90's pre-Gibson Tobias Classic 6-string. The body and top are walnut with a wenge tone plate, neck is walnut and wenge with a pau ferro fingerboard. Pearl inlaid Tobias logo on the headstock. Serial number is 17XX. (All three serial #s are present) Original curved top pick ups are also still intact, as are all the latches of the included original hardshell case.
This bass has some issues... As near as I can tell the bass started its life as a fretless and at some point was professionally fretted. The bass also started its life with a 7-pin midi set up for the electronics and had the standard Tobias branded bridge. However now, the midi Jack remains but isn't hooked up to anything, and the electronics have been replaced with a Seymour Duncan pre-amp. Additionally the original bridge has been replaced with a Wilkinson.
Despite all this the bass is in overall good playing and functional condition. It has the classic asymmetrical Tobias
Neck shape and weighs in at a measly 10 lbs
Had I decided to keep this I thought about having the fingerboard and electronics replaced, but truthfully I need a 6-string like I need a hole in my head. Bass is what it is and is priced accordingly. You won't find a pre-Gib classic 6 cheaper than this!
Pre gibson tobias serial numbers

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Product Specs

Condition:
Fair (Used)
Brand
Tobias
Model
Classic 6-string, #17XX
Finish
Walnut
Made In
United States

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