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One of the first women to graduate from Oxford, Dorothy Sayers pursued her goals whether or not what she wanted to do was ordinarily understood to be 'feminine.' Sayers kept in mind that she was first of all a human being and aimed to be true not so much to her gender as to her humanity. The role of both men and women, in her view, was to find the work for which they were...more
Published October 4th 2005 by William B Eerdmans Publishing Co (first published November 30th 1970)
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May 24, 2019Cindy Rollins rated it it was amazing
I found these two essays to be provocative and exceptional which is not surprising as they wer written by Dorothy Sayers. Can't wait to discuss them with Angelina on The Literary Life Podcast.
Oct 16, 2009Mir rated it really liked it
Sayers' answer is, of course, Yes. Her point is that both men and women often argue as if women were an undifferentiated class, inherently different from men (the real humans) and necessarily possessed of a common female set of needs, desires, opinions, abilities, etc. She argues that the first prerequisite of equality is to regard all people as individuals who have different talents and preferences. These gifts, not sex, are what should determine employment and other activities.
To find satisfa...more
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Nov 12, 2015Dhanaraj Rajan rated it really liked it
This is a book that contains the two essays that Dorothy L. Sayers wrote on the 'Women Question.' It is not a well developed theory in the lines of feminist thinkers. (Sayers will be against the usage of the term 'Feminist' anyway.) It is more like a novel writer's observation of the society and her critical remarks.
This is the quote from the book which is central to her arguments:
'...the fundamental thing is that women are more like men than anything else in the world. They are human beings.V...more
This is the quote from the book which is central to her arguments:
'...the fundamental thing is that women are more like men than anything else in the world. They are human beings.V...more
Aug 14, 2018Suzannah rated it really liked it
So great. Spot on and frequently laugh-out-loud hilarious, although I think that the same author's novel Gaudy Night goes into these questions in a little more depth.
I read the two brief essays comprising this volume from Unpopular Opinions, which can be accessed online here.
I read the two brief essays comprising this volume from Unpopular Opinions, which can be accessed online here.
Jun 19, 2012Trevor rated it it was ok
This wasn’t really what I was expecting it to be. I was expecting it to be much funnier than it turned out. It wasn’t really all that funny at all. And then I thought it might have a stronger message regarding feminism too – but even that was quite light, really. The second essay, and the one the book isn’t named after, is the better of the two. This is mostly because the second essay does some lovely inversions of gender roles – having men justify their membership of the male sex despite their...more
Jul 13, 2018Laura Verret rated it really liked it · review of another edition
This slim collection of essays is basically the We Should All Be Feminists of the 1930s, which is to say that, while tiny slivers of its discussion are dated, the majority of the text is pure, glittering gold.
Dec 04, 2016Amy rated it it was amazing Shelves: made-me-think, oxford, women, favorites, detection-club, faith
I picked up Are Women Human? by Dorothy L. Sayers expecting a rather lengthy and involved discussion on feminism that I would need to re-read several times to fully grasp. Instead I got a volume of barely 75 pages composed of two essays and an introduction so full of common sense that it hardly took any time to read at all. Though groundbreaking as one of the first females to graduates from Oxford and well-known for her work as a writer of fiction and academia, Sayers did not have much to say ab...more
I am starting to appreciate everything Dorothy L. Sayers has ever written. This is a clear, no nonsense articulation of the role of women and a quick dismissal of all the misunderstandings and popular grievances of feminism. While you read it, you are thinking, “Of course!”
Mar 16, 2008Jonathan rated it really liked it Shelves: 20th-century-britain, christian-intellectuals, social-criticism
This book comprises three essays -- an introduction by Mary McDermott Shideler, then Sayers' own 'Are Women Human?' and 'The Human-Not-Quite-Human.'
The first of Sayers' essays is a 1938 address to a women's society. In it, Sayers explained why she was not pleased with some contemporary trends in feminism. It would be unfortunate, Sayers argued, if the women's movement made the same mistake that men had been making -- to treat women as a class with a single collective end rather than as individua...more
Jun 14, 2014Bronwyn rated it it was amazingThe first of Sayers' essays is a 1938 address to a women's society. In it, Sayers explained why she was not pleased with some contemporary trends in feminism. It would be unfortunate, Sayers argued, if the women's movement made the same mistake that men had been making -- to treat women as a class with a single collective end rather than as individua...more
Shelves: european, author-s-z, title-a-i, by-women, about-women, 2014-reads, non-fiction, essays
The 'I'm not a feminist but...' thing is quite old, apparently (not that I'm surprised). If this isn't a feminist work though I don't know what is. Such wonderful writings that are still a bit ahead of their time in many ways. The second essay was better and really resonated with me. The first was still very good, but a bit weaker. Really excellent work. Now to read her fiction.
She has some incredible statements in here.
'A woman is just as much an ordinary human being as a man, with the same individual preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences of any individual.'
'It is perfectly idiotic to take away women's traditional occupations and then complain because she looks for new ones.'
'But there are other questions – as, for example, about literature or finance – on which the 'woman's p...more
'A woman is just as much an ordinary human being as a man, with the same individual preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences of any individual.'
'It is perfectly idiotic to take away women's traditional occupations and then complain because she looks for new ones.'
'But there are other questions – as, for example, about literature or finance – on which the 'woman's p...more
Sep 13, 2012Rowena rated it really liked it
Quite witty and thought-provoking.
Aug 17, 2019Noninuna rated it really liked it · review of another edition
Are Women Human? is a collection of 2 essays written by Dorothy L. Sayers about feminism in the belief that men & women are equal and should be treated as human on every level of humanity. When I first seen this book recommended by a Booktuber, I found myself asking out loud, 'What do you mean 'Are women human?'?!' because that is a really provocative title if you ask me. However, when I did read it, I can say that this is the 'feminism' that I would totally agree & relate with. The intr
...moreJul 20, 2018E.C. Newman rated it it was amazing
I nearly underlined everything in this little book. For being about 80 years old, the essays still speak to today.
I understand why some people don’t like the word ‘feminism’. It singles out the female and therefore people believe it only supports the female. By definition this is not true, but humans have a way of twisting words and ideas into the exact thing it’s not.
Sayers doesn’t call herself a feminist. In 1938, she is even concerned about the aggressive feminists and the possible damage t...more
I understand why some people don’t like the word ‘feminism’. It singles out the female and therefore people believe it only supports the female. By definition this is not true, but humans have a way of twisting words and ideas into the exact thing it’s not.
Sayers doesn’t call herself a feminist. In 1938, she is even concerned about the aggressive feminists and the possible damage t...more
In this slim book, Dorothy Sayers, christian apologist and self-described non-feminist argued at the turn of the 19th century that women had and have the right to pursue any occupation that they are able to perform. She couches this argument based on the common abilities and aspirations of the species regardless of qualifier (vir/femina). Sayers also develops this thesis in part based on a 'work ethic' from other books that says the work is the most important consideration and he who can and wan...more
I read this along with the Literary Life podcast, and I found these two essays and the podcast discussion both very interesting. In Are Women Human, Sayers gives the very sensible point that men as a group or women as a group are not better skilled at anything in particular, but individual people are suited for certain vocations. She also talks about (and the podcast discussed this at length) that the industrial revolution inadvertently took work away from women in their homes (spinning, baking,...more
May 31, 2019DestroyerbossAOele rated it really liked it
Jul 11, 2019Betsy rated it it was amazing
Two short, thought provoking essays from Dorothy Sayers. She advocates for viewing women as human beings, with more in common than different from men, and individuals, not a 'voting bloc.' Clever, and full of wit.
Jan 08, 2013Joseph R. rated it it was amazing
This book has two essays by Dorothy L. Sayers on the role of women in society. Her position is rather straightforward. Men and women are human beings first and foremost, their gender does not constitute a radical divide between them. Women have just as many and as diverse skills and interests as men; pigeonholing women as 'the weaker sex' or as 'domestic goddesses' does a great disservice to actual individuals who may be more physically fit or less domestically inclined than the common stereotyp...more
May 18, 2015PattyJohn Anthony Fleming
rated it really liked it Shelves: 2015, christianity, women-writers, essays, social-responsibility, women-s-history, women-s-liberation, faith, non-fiction, religion
'The first thing that strikes the careless observer is that women are unlike men. They are 'the opposite sex' - (though why 'opposite' I do not know; what is the 'neighboring sex'?). But the fundamental thing is that women are more like men than anything else in the world. They are human beings. Vir is male and Femina is female: but Homo is male and female.' p. 53
I very much enjoyed the Peter Wimsey mysteries, especially after Harriet Vane appeared on the scene. I listened to them long before so...more
I very much enjoyed the Peter Wimsey mysteries, especially after Harriet Vane appeared on the scene. I listened to them long before so...more
Oct 14, 2013Lynley rated it it was amazing
Dorothy Sayers is my kind of feminist. She will not be hedged in by any side; not by the radical feminists, not by the 'conservative' women reacting against feminism, and certainly not by any man. She decries the absurd notions of feminine nature as another creature: 'Men have asked distractedly, '[What] on earth do women want?' I do not know that women, as women, want anything in particular, but as human beings they want, my good men, what you want yourselves.'
Some favorite quotes:
'[He] was y...more
Some favorite quotes:
'[He] was y...more
The only problem I have with this book is that it is so short. Astute and witty essays, yes, but there are merely two of them (albeit with an excellent introduction)! If the questions hadn't been more fully fleshed out in Gaudy Night, I might despair.
Sayers treats the matter concisely: what do we do with women? Well, we treat them as humans, first of all, and a great deal of nonsense drops out automatically.
The second essay, 'The Human-Not-Quite-Human,' notes that 'Man is always dealt with as b...more
Sayers treats the matter concisely: what do we do with women? Well, we treat them as humans, first of all, and a great deal of nonsense drops out automatically.
The second essay, 'The Human-Not-Quite-Human,' notes that 'Man is always dealt with as b...more
Great stuff! Dorothy L Sayers claimed not to be a feminist. However, if a feminist is a person who believes that women and men should have equal rights, then Sayers was definitely one. These writings exemplify Sayers: pithy, witty, seriously smart and still relevant 70 years down the track.
May 03, 2017Miss ClarkList Of Dorothy Sayers Books
rated itDorothy Sayers Lord Peter Wimsey
really liked it · review of another edition Shelves: philosophy-pensive-and-ponderous, history-culture
4 -4.5 stars
Superb. Highly recommend it.
Page 21 particularly!
Superb. Highly recommend it.
Page 21 particularly!
I had read this before today, but in little bits at a time, but today I was able to sit down and read it all at once, which helped a lot with the comprehension of it.
This little book is a collection of two essays (the first was actually a talk given at a women's society. I am unsure the context of the second one.) They both are on the same topic and have similar points, namely that women are human with human needs and individual minds, preferences, and talents. It also highlighted the correct ex...more
This little book is a collection of two essays (the first was actually a talk given at a women's society. I am unsure the context of the second one.) They both are on the same topic and have similar points, namely that women are human with human needs and individual minds, preferences, and talents. It also highlighted the correct ex...more
Dec 26, 2017Dave rated it it was amazing
Two terrific essays by Sayers with a great intro by Mary McDermott Shideler, who fully appreciates them and their continued importance. 'Are Women Human?' itself is a tour-de-force: the best and most fun expression of her view of men and women, and her appreciation of letting people be who they are. I dog-eared almost all the pages and wish I'd written it myself. 'The Human-Not-Quite-Human' is an expansion which brings in a touch of her view of the Church, but has a great imagining of a world wh...more
Jul 05, 2019Gemma Elizabeth rated it it was amazing
The ever changing definition of feminism has always confused me. In this witty set of essays, Dorothy Sayers simplifies the issues at hand in a way that is just as relevant today, as it would have been in her time.
Thoroughly enjoyed and benefited from this reading, and hope to reread them again soon.
Thoroughly enjoyed and benefited from this reading, and hope to reread them again soon.
Classic Sayers essays with clever and timely wisdom on the topic of gender.
Razor sharp wit, full review later.
Short and to the point, and with a definite sense of humor. I really should read more by her.
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Dorothy Leigh Sayers was a renowned British author, translator, student of classical and modern languages, and Christian humanist.
Dorothy L. Sayers is best known for her mysteries, a series of novels and short stories set between World War I and World War II that feature English aristocrat and amateur sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey. However, Sayers herself considered her translation of Dante's Divina Co...more
Dorothy L. Sayers is best known for her mysteries, a series of novels and short stories set between World War I and World War II that feature English aristocrat and amateur sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey. However, Sayers herself considered her translation of Dante's Divina Co...more
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“A man once asked me ... how I managed in my books to write such natural conversation between men when they were by themselves. Was I, by any chance, a member of a large, mixed family with a lot of male friends? I replied that, on the contrary, I was an only child and had practically never seen or spoken to any men of my own age till I was about twenty-five. 'Well,' said the man, 'I shouldn't have expected a woman (meaning me) to have been able to make it so convincing.' I replied that I had coped with this difficult problem by making my men talk, as far as possible, like ordinary human beings. This aspect of the matter seemed to surprise the other speaker; he said no more, but took it away to chew it over. One of these days it may quite likely occur to him that women, as well as men, when left to themselves, talk very much like human beings also.” — 476 likes
“In reaction against the age-old slogan, 'woman is the weaker vessel,' or the still more offensive, 'woman is a divine creature,' we have, I think, allowed ourselves to drift into asserting that 'a woman is as good as a man,' without always pausing to think what exactly we mean by that. What, I feel, we ought to mean is something so obvious that it is apt to escape attention altogether, viz: (...) that a woman is just as much an ordinary human being as a man, with the same individual preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences of an individual. What is repugnant to every human being is to be reckoned always as a member of a class and not as an individual person.” — 168 likes
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“A man once asked me ... how I managed in my books to write such natural conversation between men when they were by themselves. Was I, by any chance, a member of a large, mixed family with a lot of male friends? I replied that, on the contrary, I was an only child and had practically never seen or spoken to any men of my own age till I was about twenty-five. 'Well,' said the man, 'I shouldn't have expected a woman (meaning me) to have been able to make it so convincing.' I replied that I had coped with this difficult problem by making my men talk, as far as possible, like ordinary human beings. This aspect of the matter seemed to surprise the other speaker; he said no more, but took it away to chew it over. One of these days it may quite likely occur to him that women, as well as men, when left to themselves, talk very much like human beings also.”
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“In reaction against the age-old slogan, 'woman is the weaker vessel,' or the still more offensive, 'woman is a divine creature,' we have, I think, allowed ourselves to drift into asserting that 'a woman is as good as a man,' without always pausing to think what exactly we mean by that. What, I feel, we ought to mean is something so obvious that it is apt to escape attention altogether, viz: (...) that a woman is just as much an ordinary human being as a man, with the same individual preferences, and with just as much right to the tastes and preferences of an individual. What is repugnant to every human being is to be reckoned always as a member of a class and not as an individual person.”
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“It is extraordinarily entertaining to watch the historians of the past ... entangling themselves in what they were pleased to call the 'problem' of Queen Elizabeth. They invented the most complicated and astonishing reasons both for her success as a sovereign and for her tortuous matrimonial policy. She was the tool of Burleigh, she was the tool of Leicester, she was the fool of Essex; she was diseased, she was deformed, she was a man in disguise. She was a mystery, and must have some extraordinary solution. Only recently has it occrurred to a few enlightened people that the solution might be quite simple after all. She might be one of the rare people were born into the right job and put that job first.”
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“Perhaps it is no wonder that the women were first at the Cradle and last at the Cross. They had never known a man like this Man - there never has been such another. A prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, never flattered or coaxed or patronised; who never made arch jokes about them, never treated them either as 'The women, God help us!' or 'The ladies, God bless them!'; who rebuked without querulousness and praised without condescension; who took their questions and arguments seriously; who never mapped out their sphere for them, never urged them to be feminine or jeered at them for being female; who had no axe to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend; who took them as he found them and was completely unself-conscious. There is no act, no sermon, no parable in the whole Gospel that borrows its pungency from female perversity; nobody could possibly guess from the words and deeds of Jesus that there was anything 'funny' about woman's nature.”
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“In fact, there is perhaps only one human being in a thousand who is passionately interested in his job for the job's sake. The difference is that if that one person in a thousand is a man, we say, simply, that he is passionately keen on his job; if she is a woman, we say she is a freak.”
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“What we ask is to be human individuals, however peculiar and unexpected. It is no good saying: 'You are a little girl and therefore you ought to like dolls'; if the answer is, 'But I don't,' there is no more to be said.”
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“We are much too much inclined in these days to divide people into permanent categories, forgetting that a category only exists for its special purpose and must be forgotten as soon as that purpose is served.”
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“Now, it is frequently asserted that, with women, the job does not come first. What (people cry) are women doing with this liberty of theirs? What woman really prefers a job to a home and family? Very few, I admit. It is unfortunate that they should so often have to make the choice. A man does not, as a rule, have to choose. He gets both. Nevertheless, there have been women ... who had the choice, and chose the job and made a success of it. And there have been and are many men who have sacrificed their careers for women ... When it comes to a choice, then every man or woman has to choose as an individual human being, and, like a human being, take the consequences.”
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tags: career, choice, clichés, double-standards, empowerment, feminism, freedom, gender, inequality, misogyny, self-determination, stereotypes, women
“Once lay down the rule that the job comes first and you throw that job open to every individual, man or woman, fat or thin, tall or short, ugly or beautiful, who is able to do that job better than the rest of the world.”
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“But it is the mark of all movements, however well-intentioned, that their pioneers tend, by much lashing of themselves into excitement, to lose sight of the obvious.”
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“I am occasionally desired by congenital imbeciles and the editors of magazines to say something about the writing of detective fiction “from the woman’s point of view.” To such demands, one can only say “Go away and don’t be silly. You might as well ask what is the female angle on an equilateral triangle.”
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“It is a formidable list of jobs: the whole of the spinning industry, the whole of the dyeing industry, the whole of the weaving industry. The whole catering industry and—which would not please Lady Astor, perhaps—the whole of the nation’s brewing and distilling. All the preserving, pickling and bottling industry, all the bacon-curing. And (since in those days a man was often absent from home for months together on war or business) a very large share in the management of landed estates. Here are the women’s jobs—and what has become of them? They are all being handled by men. It is all very well to say that woman’s place is the home—but modern civilisation has taken all these pleasant and profitable activities out of the home, where the women looked after them, and handed them over to big industry, to be directed and organised by men at the head of large factories. Even the dairy-maid in her simple bonnet has gone, to be replaced by a male mechanic in charge of a mechanical milking plant.”
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“I always said the professional advocate was the most amoral person on the face of the earth. I'm certain of it now.”
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“When the pioneers of university training for women demanded that women should be admitted to the universities, the cry went up at once: ‘Why should women want to know about Aristotle?’ The answer is NOT that all women would be the better for knowing about Aristotle … but simply: ‘What women want as a class is irrelevant. I want to know about Aristotle. It is true that many women care nothing about him, and a great many male undergraduates turn pale and faint at the thought of him – but I, eccentric individual that I am, do want to know about Aristotle, and I submit that there is nothing in my shape or bodily functions which need prevent my knowing about him.”
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“To oppose one class perpetually to another — young against old, manual labor against brain-worker, rich against poor, woman against man — is to split the foundations of the State; and if the cleavage runs too deep, there remains no remedy but force and dictatorship. If you wish to preserve a free democracy, you must base it — not on classes and categories, for this will land you in the totalitarian State, where no one may act or think except as the member of a category. You must base it upon the individual Tom, Dick and Harry, and the individual Jack and Jill — in fact, upon you and me.”
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